
(Part 2: Nothing Personal)DCS: Are you currently working on any projects?
DB: YES! I’m so excited. I’m currently in the middle of a very special project. It’s a documentary called,
Nothing Personal. It’s a provocative documentary about homophobia in Black Hollywood.
DCS: Can you tell me about
Nothing Personal?
DB: Nothing Personal was inspired by my life. Black Hollywood was and is a very homophobic place. Now, I don’t mean to suggest that Hollywood in general is not a homophobic environment because it is.
I think it’s a grand misperception on the part of the rest of the country that Hollywood is a welcoming and nurturing place for gays and lesbians. Hell no. Yes Hollywood may represent an improvement from some other parts of the country but the industry is really a part of greater Los Angeles which is part of California and don’t forget that California just passed Proposition 8.
When I got to Los Angeles, in 1995, it was almost unbearable. I remember once during the first few weeks of the first season of
Moesha, I was still a writing assistant and my desk was right outside the writer’s room. There was a talk show called
Rolanda on and the topic of the day was women who find out that their husbands are gay. The writer’s were discussing it and the comments were just disgusting. I had just met some of these people (the writers) but I still respected them all a great deal for what they had accomplished.
At some point one of the writers came out of the room and left the door open and all of this homophobic vitriol came pouring out like a mudslide. I felt trapped. I didn’t know what to do. It went on and on and eventually I started to shake and my hands started to sweat. I got up from my desk and ran into the office of a writer I barely knew, Ron Neal. I thought he was still in the writer’s room but he was in his office. I didn’t have to say a word. He just looked at me and said, “I know. Just breathe and sit down.” I sat there for about 10 minutes in complete silence. We didn’t say another word and we never discussed it again in all the years we went on to work together.
I decided to do the documentary when one day a couple of years ago I was at Outfest supporting Quincy LeNear and Deondray Gossett with the premier of
DL Chronicles. I had known them both since they first arrived in Los Angeles and was so incredibly proud of them for their accomplishments. We hadn’t talked in a while but they told me how much they had admired me when I was on, Moesha because I was openly gay. Back in the day Quincy and Deondray were either always on or around the set because their friend, Tamiko Brooks (now a wonderful writer in her own right) worked on
Moesha as a writer’s assistant.
Well I really was shocked to hear them say this because I had never thought about it. It had never occurred to me that anyone was watching. It planted a seed. I began to wonder out loud how many openly gay and or lesbian writers were out there. I made some phone calls and talked to some friends and began the process of getting some of them to talk on camera. It blossomed from there.
DCS: Has
Nothing Personal been picked up by a network or distributor yet?
DB: No. Unfortunately not. But I’m very positive that it will. I’m in the process of acquiring funding for
Nothing Personal. I’ve had some very solid interest.
DCS: You told us some of your experiences with homophobia in Hollywood can you give me some other examples?
DB: There are so many. But I’ll give you one that was particularly painful. Once a friend of mine, one of my best friends at the time who also happened to be one of the few Black show runners (a person who oversees day to day management and creative operations of a T.V. series) in Hollywood, called me and asked me to find out if I knew or could find out if the person she was about to cast as a thug was gay or not.
She said to me,
“Not that I care. I just don’t need my main thug coming out of the closet in the second season and ruining my show.” I couldn’t believe it. A black woman called a gay black man to find out private information about a black actor so that she could possibly deny him employment. I remember getting sick to my stomach. Again, I didn’t know what to say. She wasn’t an evil person. She certainly knew that I was gay and in fact, had championed and supported me on several occasions.
I think I was stunned. But again, I didn’t challenge her. I didn’t speak up. I was worried that she might not hire me on her show if I confronted her. That one bothered me for a long time. It still bothers me.
DCS: I think of Paris Barclay (
NYPD Blue, ER, CSI, Cold Case, Lost, etc,) when I think of successful black gay producers and writers. What other black LGBT person, would you say is at the top of the game in your profession?
DB: There are quite a few right now and I’m going to feel bad if I leave someone off the list. But off the top of my head I think of Quincy and Deondray with the
DL Chronicles. You have Wanda Sykes who is really headed into another stratosphere right now. There is, of course, Patrik-Ian Polk who did
Noah’s Arc. You have people like Billy Porter, Nathan Hale Williams, Maurice Jamal and of course, Lee Daniels. So, there are some people out there doing good stuff and really making a difference.
DCS: Usually, blacks and other people of color are relegated to supporting roles in T.V. unless it’s comedy. Do you foresee any change?
DB: I do. I mean, part of it is simple demographics. The country is changing and television will change right along with it or become obsolete. One of the things that would help is if Black writers and T.V. executives brought more layered and complicated characters to the screen.
DCS: How do you feel about gay stereotypes on T.V.?
DB: They have their place. I mean, you have to have a sense of humor and be able to laugh at yourself and even at your community. The problem, of course, becomes when the stereotypes are all you have. If you’re going to ask a group- - any group- - to laugh at themselves then you also have to be willing to take that same community seriously. I’m of the belief that television and film should provoke. I think television and film succeed if everyone is uncomfortable for a few minutes before it’s over.
DCS: With the internet becoming such an important part of our lives, what do you see as the future of the television and film industry?
DB: (laughing) Doug, if I could answer this question then I’d be a rich man. No one has quite figured this one out yet. I just hope to be there when they do.
DCS: Man. That was a lot to digest. Thanks, Demetrius. It’s good to hear from someone in our community doing work behind the scenes in Hollywood. Now take a breather, then get back to work on
Nothing Personal.DB: You’re very welcome Doug. You take care as well.
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NOTE: Since this interview, Producers, Quincy LeNear and Deondray Gossett, writers and producers of the DL Chronicles, have joined as producers of Nothing Personal; and Sheryl Lee Ralph (Dream Girls, Moesha) has signed on to offer commentary. The producers continue to seek funding for Nothing Personal. For more information, you can contact Demetrius Bady at: Callandresponseproductions@Gmail.Com )